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Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by wizkid Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:30 am
I found this today when I ran across a marketing video on youtube. I thought it was funny how a mod at a site claims to be a trust expert and has exclusive calls on the matter. I like the PTR family personally but that's just because I like the positive attitudes and the banter, but pass the word and pass it as fast as you need to stay away from taking trust advise from a known scammer. This is in no way bashing. here's some links read it for yourself
http://www.justice.gov/tax/txdv09219.htm
http://www.justice.gov/tax/Renfrow_Compl.pdf
http://www.justice.gov/tax/Aldridge_PermInj.pdf
http://homebasedbusiness.com/profile/RaymondRenfrow
https://www.youtube.com/user/RayRen982002 Ray's Youtube account
http://www.justice.gov/tax/txdv09219.htm
http://www.justice.gov/tax/Renfrow_Compl.pdf
http://www.justice.gov/tax/Aldridge_PermInj.pdf
http://homebasedbusiness.com/profile/RaymondRenfrow
https://www.youtube.com/user/RayRen982002 Ray's Youtube account
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by sandwedge Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:32 am
I believe this Ray guy is Tony Renfrow's brother. Stay clear of the Renfrow family gang. Bad news bears..
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by tootles Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:04 pm
Thanks sandwedge for the heads up.
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by bigal66 Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:55 pm
Sandwedge; I think when you go accusing people of things like this that you should give some PROOF. Personally, I don't just go on someones word that I don't know and I know them better than you. I am just tired of the bashing from everywhere. just saying.
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by sandwedge Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:25 pm
bigal66 wrote:Sandwedge; I think when you go accusing people of things like this that you should give some PROOF. Personally, I don't just go on someones word that I don't know and I know them better than you. I am just tired of the bashing from everywhere. just saying.
Birds of a feather seem to flock together. Tony at PTR's name is Tony Renfrow. Tonya and Dan have had his brother on several of their CC's so that his brother Ray could pitch himself. That's understandable, but being related to Tony gives him a blemish IMO.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/Tony-Renfrow.aspx
If you want to use him bigal66, knock yourself out. Remember that after this RV, you will want to be focused on protecting your assets. Careful who you put your trust in.
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by lzenglish1969 Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:23 pm
Tony's brother refers to himself as Ray Ren. How do we know that Ren is short for Renfrow? Also, there must be thousands of Ray Renfrows in the US. I would like to know if it is the same guy.
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by bigal66 Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:16 pm
sandwedge; you have yet to offer any P R O O F about what you are saying. I don't intend on using Ray for anything at this moment. However, I have no reason to bash the guy. I have heard him on the conf. call several times and I think he sounds like a credible fellow. Same with Tony. Let us see the P R O O F before you go and make statements that have not been confirmed. You sir are guilty of false gossip until then.
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by 1alaskan Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:18 pm
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by openmind Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:22 pm
THE BROTHERS RENFROW!
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by openmind Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:26 pm
"WASHINGTON – A federal court has permanently barred Raymond A. Renfrow of Elm City, N.C., from preparing federal income tax returns for others, the Justice Department announced today. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina entered the civil injunction order, which also stops Renfrow from promoting a tax fraud scheme that used sham trusts to falsely deduct customers’ non-deductible personal expenses. The court found that Renfrow prepared tax returns for customers that have caused an estimated loss to the U.S. Treasury of more than $1.4 million."
Hasn't Tony told people on the CCs to contact Ray Renfrow for setting up trusts and such?
Hasn't Tony told people on the CCs to contact Ray Renfrow for setting up trusts and such?
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by openmind Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:37 pm
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by sandwedge Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:45 pm
bigal66 wrote:sandwedge; you have yet to offer any P R O O F about what you are saying. I don't intend on using Ray for anything at this moment. However, I have no reason to bash the guy. I have heard him on the conf. call several times and I think he sounds like a credible fellow. Same with Tony. Let us see the P R O O F before you go and make statements that have not been confirmed. You sir are guilty of false gossip until then.
I'm not guilty of anything pal. I have been in this a long time and I was on the 1st call CC that Tony and Dan introduced Ray, and guess how they introduced him? You got it, my brother Ray Renfrow. Why does he go by Ray Ren now? Who knows, he probably didn't want their to be an association between him and Tony, with Tony having his past. Why don't you search Dan Atkinson and take a peek at his past. Good guy? You decide, better yet, change your mind, use Ray and jeopardize your fortune. Unbelievable. Do some homework.
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by openmind Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:03 am
openmind wrote:THEY Certainly look like they are BROTHERS RENFROW!
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by sandwedge Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:05 am
They are openmind. Good find on the Federal Court ban. Like I said in a previous post, "birds of a feather flock together".
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by openmind Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:12 am
the credit goes to WizKid, i just copied and pasted from his link....These guys are worse than I thought. Their mother must be really proud of them.
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by sandwedge Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:35 am
openmind wrote:the credit goes to WizKid, i just copied and pasted from his link....These guys are worse than I thought. Their mother must be really proud of them.
Yeah really. Their poor mom. Never know, we are the one's responsible to teach our children. Sometimes the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree. I feel bad for the people paying those guys at PTR.
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by wizkid Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:55 am
The question should be who's the guy on PTR that calls himself RayRen that's giving trust advise over the phone on conference calls to thousands of people? Then there is an exact said named person out there that uses both RayRen for a userid and name is Raymond Renfrow. A said Raymond Renfrow that has been convicted of trust fraud and is highly involved in the marketing game
If you need proof of anything I would think it would be to ask RayRen98 Raymond Renfrow on PTR the honest and caregiving trust specialist if he's the same RayRen98 Raymond Renfrow the trust specialist found guilty of trust fraud and banned for life from filing federal tax returns across the nation a mere few years ago.
My purpose isn't to bash this guy cause I'm not. Obviously it was his own choice to do the scamming. I'm not creating anything that hasn't already happened and easily accessible on google. I'm thinking about the thousands of people that take advise from a federally convicted scamming fraud trust specialist. I think he's the same guy, I'm sure most the people reading this can put 2 and 2 together. If you can't well you're just not looking hard enough and your entitled to that. The $15 per month being paid IMO is only beefing up the contact list that these guys will hold dear to their hearts. What do you think will happen post RV if 3 guys all involved in shaky activity and heavy marketing skills have a magic list? A list with about 20,000 names of instant millionaires? They're going to sell the crap out of that list. Let's see they have a list that needs lawyers, bankers, trust specialists, metals dealers, investment firms, etc etc the list goes on and on. There's a bigger picture going on than just a few guys trying to help folks out.
If you need proof of anything I would think it would be to ask RayRen98 Raymond Renfrow on PTR the honest and caregiving trust specialist if he's the same RayRen98 Raymond Renfrow the trust specialist found guilty of trust fraud and banned for life from filing federal tax returns across the nation a mere few years ago.
My purpose isn't to bash this guy cause I'm not. Obviously it was his own choice to do the scamming. I'm not creating anything that hasn't already happened and easily accessible on google. I'm thinking about the thousands of people that take advise from a federally convicted scamming fraud trust specialist. I think he's the same guy, I'm sure most the people reading this can put 2 and 2 together. If you can't well you're just not looking hard enough and your entitled to that. The $15 per month being paid IMO is only beefing up the contact list that these guys will hold dear to their hearts. What do you think will happen post RV if 3 guys all involved in shaky activity and heavy marketing skills have a magic list? A list with about 20,000 names of instant millionaires? They're going to sell the crap out of that list. Let's see they have a list that needs lawyers, bankers, trust specialists, metals dealers, investment firms, etc etc the list goes on and on. There's a bigger picture going on than just a few guys trying to help folks out.
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by openmind Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:31 am
Yep yep...Buyer Beware!
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by zerhourwriter Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:53 am
wizkid,
I wont give my opinion on RayRen because, well, I don't have one. But I will also remid everyone that the same (what wizkid said) can be said about all the dinar dealers.
They have your Name, Address, some even have your bank account numbers depending on how long you've been buying IQD. But none the less they have your info and it will be sold. You can believe that! Just pray that its only sold to scammers and banks and not worst people than that.
So change EVERYTHING!!! And if they sent stuff to your home than I would say move....
...And thats why I've only bought from currency exchanges, in cash.
I wont give my opinion on RayRen because, well, I don't have one. But I will also remid everyone that the same (what wizkid said) can be said about all the dinar dealers.
They have your Name, Address, some even have your bank account numbers depending on how long you've been buying IQD. But none the less they have your info and it will be sold. You can believe that! Just pray that its only sold to scammers and banks and not worst people than that.
So change EVERYTHING!!! And if they sent stuff to your home than I would say move....
...And thats why I've only bought from currency exchanges, in cash.
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by ruthie23 Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:46 am
Yes well expect to be banned from PTR if you call him out. I called them all out months ago and was obliterated (I am more than pleased to say) 
Not sure about all the dealers Zerhourwriter, we bought all ours years ago from Dinar Trade UK, and they have all their ducks in a row over here, nonetheless yes we did buy for cash, just for convenience really. I have no doubts about their credibility, Beloved and I have ways of checking!
Anyway we are all adults, so I suppose that we must all plough our own furrow, I am never ceased to be amazed though at the gullibility out there :shock:
Not sure about all the dealers Zerhourwriter, we bought all ours years ago from Dinar Trade UK, and they have all their ducks in a row over here, nonetheless yes we did buy for cash, just for convenience really. I have no doubts about their credibility, Beloved and I have ways of checking!
Anyway we are all adults, so I suppose that we must all plough our own furrow, I am never ceased to be amazed though at the gullibility out there :shock:
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by Seraphim Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:03 am
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by openmind Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:09 am
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by bigal66 Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:53 am
sanwedge; finally there is some P R O O F to your accusations. I think now that it is time to consider weather you or your family will do buisness with them. I am in no way supporting anyone who is not legitamate or legal, the only point that I was trying to make is don't go throwing out accusations without proof. That can cause disruption on the site and also in the long run bring you grief from the accused if it can not be verified. I do listen to the PTR group, I like Dan being on the grounded side and I like Gary and Dr. Todd, but on the other hand, I have nothing against Tony. If you don't care for Tony, that is your opinion and your are most definately allowed to have your own opinion and I will respect that. Again, as I stated before, just don't go accusing someone without proof. GODS blessings to everyone on the site and GOD BLESS AMERICA. GooooooooooooooRvvvvvvvvvvvv.
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by sandwedge Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:26 pm
bigal66 wrote:sanwedge; finally there is some P R O O F to your accusations. I think now that it is time to consider weather you or your family will do buisness with them. I am in no way supporting anyone who is not legitamate or legal, the only point that I was trying to make is don't go throwing out accusations without proof. That can cause disruption on the site and also in the long run bring you grief from the accused if it can not be verified. I do listen to the PTR group, I like Dan being on the grounded side and I like Gary and Dr. Todd, but on the other hand, I have nothing against Tony. If you don't care for Tony, that is your opinion and your are most definately allowed to have your own opinion and I will respect that. Again, as I stated before, just don't go accusing someone without proof. GODS blessings to everyone on the site and GOD BLESS AMERICA. GooooooooooooooRvvvvvvvvvvvv.
Fair enough. I try to research who and what we can, and I'm usually pretty careful in what I say. You ask for proof from me, but don't seem to ask for links and/or question the Guru's. I know that it's a fast way to get banned, because I have been there, don that, but try not to accept everything you read here as the bible. Look into things you question, and you will find some of the answers.
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by 1alaskan Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:08 pm
Why would anyone take advice about taxes from a guy on a CC.
That is something you need to get face to face with the guy who could give you the wrong info and YOU end up with huge taxes due and/or in jail.
That is something you need to get face to face with the guy who could give you the wrong info and YOU end up with huge taxes due and/or in jail.
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by openmind Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:56 am
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Re: Ray Ren PTR Trust Expert?
by Ponee Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:32 am
THIS POST IS FROM 2011 in regards to RAY RENFROW -- Tony RENFROW'S BROTHER
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by Daox13 Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:10 am
this was a funny read... that must have been when you had a split following.
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by Ponee Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:15 am
YES, it was ... But it shows that there were many even then that had TONY and RAY's number. It still amazes me how he has created such a following on such a criminal track record.
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by Daox13 Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:37 am
Like I have said before, People are selfish and greedy, they want want want, and because of their need to want they overlook the basic facts.
Its sad, but they are just asking to be scammed..
Its like in most Disney movies that are made for KIDS! Abu the monkey just couldn't keep his hands to himself and overlooked the consequence of his actions and would have been buried alive by his own greed if there was not someone looking after him.
Yes I know that's a kids movie, but I think they hold much more weight in this situation because as Kids we are taught not to be like that, so as adult we have no excuse for our actions. It is the most basic lesson in life and yet the one that I believe is the hardest for people to learn.
Its sad, but they are just asking to be scammed..
Its like in most Disney movies that are made for KIDS! Abu the monkey just couldn't keep his hands to himself and overlooked the consequence of his actions and would have been buried alive by his own greed if there was not someone looking after him.
Yes I know that's a kids movie, but I think they hold much more weight in this situation because as Kids we are taught not to be like that, so as adult we have no excuse for our actions. It is the most basic lesson in life and yet the one that I believe is the hardest for people to learn.
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by BlueSky Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:05 pm
Watch American Greed on CNBC. It's amazing what these scammers do to people. They get caught and go to jail and then do the same thing when they are released. AARP has been trying to warn members about a lot of these scams.
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by HezekiaH Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:32 am
Thanks for the referral. I have been looking for someone to do my US taxes after the CE.
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by Ssmith Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:37 am
Don't wait until after the CE. You have to contact him now to get your trusts set up. That's very important. He is having classes on setting up trusts and such. The instructions were to contact Rayren98@aol.com and in the subject line put "Please add me to your list for classes".HezekiaH wrote:Thanks for the referral. I have been looking for someone to do my US taxes after the CE.
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by Ponee Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:38 am
Well another year has passed since this was posted in 2011 and the Renfrow brothers continue to scam the people of dinarland.
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by RamblerNash Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:55 pm
Ponee wrote:Well another year has passed since this was posted in 2011 and the Renfrow brothers continue to scam the people of dinarland.
And it keeps going, and going...
How many lies do folks have to hear before they have had enough?
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